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Headword: Παλαιγενές
Adler number: pi,54
Translated headword: born long ago, full of years
Vetting Status: high
Translation:
Most venerable.[1]
Aristophanes [writes]: "hail, o veteran born long ago."[2] He did not address [him] as someone revered because of the [passage of] time; for they used to call simpletons 'oldies' and 'ancients'. Meaning [hail, o] fool. And Euripides [writes]: "you have said [something] ancient."[3] Meaning simple-minded. "For I do not wish to do the body a service".[4]
[Note] that the ancient [manuscript] was found in a jar. And see in the [entry on] Origen.[5]
Greek Original:
Παλαιγενές: πρεσβύτατον. Ἀριστοφάνης: χαῖρ', ὦ πρεσβῦτα παλαιγενές. οὐχ ὡς σεμνόν τινα προσηγόρευσε διὰ τὸν χρόνον: τοὺς γὰρ εὐήθεις ἀρχαίους καὶ παλαιοὺς ἔλεγον. ἀντὶ τοῦ ἀνόητε. καὶ Εὐριπίδης: ἀρχαῖον εἴρηκας. ἀντὶ τοῦ εὔηθες. εὐεργετῆσαι γὰρ τὸ σῶμ' οὐ βούλομαι. ὅτι ἡ παλαιὰ ἐν πίθῳ εὑρέθη. καὶ ζήτει ἐν τῷ Ὠριγένης.
Notes:
Vocative singular (of this adjective connected with pi 53 and pi 58).
[1] cf. the scholia to Homer, Iliad 17.561, where Menelaeus addresses Phoenix [Author, Myth] thus (web address 1).
[2] Aristophanes, Clouds 358 (which actually has παλαιογενές : web address 2), followed by comment from the scholia there. With the latter cf. already alpha 4072 and alpha 4075.
[3] Euripides fr. 1088.
[4] Not regarded as part of the Euripides quotation; rather, Tragica Adespota fr. 564a.
[5] omega 182.
Associated internet addresses:
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Keywords: comedy; definition; dialects, grammar, and etymology; epic; ethics; tragedy
Translated by: David Whitehead on 12 August 2010@06:24:11.
Vetted by:
Catharine Roth (added links, set status) on 12 August 2010@14:53:24.
David Whitehead (more x-refs) on 13 August 2010@03:35:11.
David Whitehead on 26 August 2011@05:58:23.
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